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Covering George W. Bush's run for the White House, Dan Rather seemed concerned that Bush was moving too far to the Right during and after the Republican primaries. After the controversy following the 2000 election was resolved, Rather criticized Bush for not naming liberals to his cabinet. He also spoke of the U.S. Supreme Court "selecting" Bush as president.
See also Florida Labeling, Florida Controversy, Al Gore, and John McCain.
Al Gore and George W. Bush emerged as the frontrunners following the
"Super
Tuesday" primary voting of March 7, 2000:
"As for George Bush the younger, there's every reason to expect that the
millions spent on negative attack ads and phone banks used against McCain will
soon be dialing up against Al Gore."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, March 8, 2000.
David Letterman asked Dan Rather what he thought about George W. Bush's cabinet appointments:
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DAN RATHER: Tonight's headlines: Daschle questions Bush's effectiveness in the war on terror [...] Good evening. We are now well into the second year of the war on terror. Tonight, there two very different assessments of how the war is, in fact, going. Tonight, President Bush, through a spokesman, repeated his insistence that the United States has made, quote, "tremendous progress." This, he said, includes dismantling Osama bin Laden's terror network. But bin Laden himself is still at-large and that, according to Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, raises questions about how the war on terror is really going.
TOM DASCHLE: I think we have to question whether or not we're winning the war. We haven't found bin Laden. We haven't made any real progress in many of the other areas involving the key elements of al Qaeda. They continue to be as great a threat today as they were a year and a half ago. [splice]
I don't want to proclaim that it's not successful but I think there are increasing questions about whether or not the administration can legitimately say we are winning the war. [splice]
The front-page stories today ought to be a wakeup call to this country and to this administration that whatever they're doing, it's not enough.
--Dan Rather and Tom Daschle on the CBS Evening News, November 14, 2002.
"A newspaper-sponsored study out today suggests that if Al Gore got the hand
count of Miami, Florida votes he wanted, he still might have lost the election
to George Bush. What are called independent accountants reviewed ballots
in Miami and found a net gain for Gore of 49 votes. Even adding those votes to
Gore gains in three other disputed counties, Gore, they say, would have lost
Florida by about 140 votes."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, February 26, 2001.
George W. Bush submitted his budget proposals to
Congress.
Democrats criticized them for having too large of tax cuts while not devoting
enough for social
programs. Republicans praised the bill for reigning wasteful spending. Dan
Rather introduced a
story on the House's passage of the bill by relaying only the Democratic
view:
"They've got a plan. The House approves a spending and tax-cut blueprint.
(Footage of Dick Gephardt (House Minority Leader, D-Mo.))
"He calls it a fraud. Tonight, do the numbers add up, and what's in it for
you?
(Other stories)
"Congress is pushing toward final passage of a slightly modified version of
President Bush's
budget and tax-cut plan. Now comes the hard part, actually putting the tax cuts
into effect
while making the numbers add up and holding down spending. Many critics say this
plan doesn't
add up, that there's no way to bankroll big tax cuts while at the same time
saving Social
Security, providing prescription drug coverage for seniors and spending more on
education,
defense and other programs."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, May 9, 2001.
"As expected, the U.S. Senate today gave final approval to a George Bush
budget that
specifies $1.3 trillion in tax cuts over about 11 years. It does not say how
it's possible to
do that while also spending more for education, defense and other things,
including drug
coverage for seniors."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, May 10, 2001.
CBS reported on reaction to Bush's stem
cell decision in a
report that relayed only one argument in support of Bush's decision--his HHS
Secretary--and
three arguments opposed to it:
DAN RATHER: As for President Bush's policy on federal funding for research
involving stem cells
taken from human embryos, that debate today went far beyond the issue of how
much to spend. CBS
News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer is tracking that still
developing story.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Two days into a fall session were Democrats and the White House
are already at
odds on dozens of issues, Congress waded into the scariest territory yet:
science.
CHRISTOPHER DODD (D-Conn.): Nothing's more frightening to me than Congress
trying to be a
scientist.
SCHIEFFER: At issue is what to do about stem cell research, the tiny cells that
scientists say
could provide miracle cures for everything from Parkinson's disease to diabetes.
The problem is
many religious conservatives oppose such research, so the president limited
federally backed
research only to cells already created in previous experiments. But will that be
enough?
TED KENNEDY (D-Mass.): President Bush has opened the door to government funding
for this
important area of health research. The question before the Congress is whether
the door is open
wide enough.
SCHIEFFER: 'No,' said a Rhode Island congressman, who believes the cells may be
used someday to
repair the kind of spinal injury that left him a quadriplegic.
JIM LANGEVIN (D-R.I.): I am frustrated with the discovery of just how little
room it leaves for
medical advancement.
SCHIEFFER: The administration point man admitted there won't be as many cells
available for
research as the White House first said, but argued there are plenty to get
started.
TOMMY THOMPSON (Department of Health and Human Services): We need to move beyond
the
back-and-forth over the numbers and get to actual work and doing the basic
research on this
science.
SCHIEFFER: This controversy does not break on party lines. The president's main
critic is a
leading Republican who says the president's plan simply does not make enough
cell lines
available.
ARLEN SPECTER (R-Penn.): It has become apparent that many of the lines cited are
not really
viable or robust or usable.
SCHIEFFER: Specter and the scientific community want a much bigger and more
aggressive research
program, but with the White House and some Republicans so sensitive to criticism
from the
conservative right, it's not clear yet where Congress will come down on any of
this. Dan.
RATHER: Bob Schieffer on Capitol Hill.
--Dan Rather and Bob Schieffer on the CBS Evening News, September 5,
2001.
"Welcome to the 2000 Republican National Convention, a study in contrasts and
paradoxes. A
place where rhetoric does a careful pas de deux with reality.
"Laura Bush and Colin Powell extol educational opportunity from the stage to a
party that's
consistently sought to slash educational spending and a vice presidential pick
with a history
of hostility to Head Start."
--Dan Rather in Rather's Notebook at the CBS Web site, August 1. 2000.
"Before the Rightward lurches of the primary campaign, George W. Bush..."
--Dan Rather in "Rather's Notebook" at the CBS News Web site, April 18,
2000.
George W. Bush had announced Dick Cheney as his vice presidential running
mate:
"Democrats were quick to portray the ticket as quote 'two Texas oilmen' because
Cheney was
chief of a big Dallas-based oil supply conglomerate. They also blast Cheney's
voting record in
Congress as again, quote, 'outside the American mainstream' because of Cheney's
votes against
the Equal Rights for Women Amendment, against a woman's right to choose
abortion--against
abortion as Cheney prefers to put it--and Cheney's votes against gun control.
Republicans
see it all differently, most of them hailing Bush's choice and Cheney's
experience."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, July 25, 2000.
Note: Rather devoted 14 words to what the Republicans thought of Cheney.
There was debate over whether or not the Census
Bureau should have
used adjusted numbers in its count. Democrats were for it, Republicans opposed
it:
"Team Bush is moving tonight on two issues with widespread political and social
impact. First,
Commerce Secretary Donald Evans, carrying out the president's wishes, has now
officially
decided the 2000 Census will not be adjusted to make up for any under-count of
the nation's
poor and minorities.
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, March 6, 2001.
The Bush administration proposed giving funds for a
reading program
to the states to spend at their own discretion; Democrats and some others did
not support this
change and criticized the administration; CBS aired a report showing the
opinions of Bush's
critics and none from anyone who supported the decision:
DAN RATHER: On a related front, questions are being raised tonight about what is
not in
the new Bush budget for one long-running education program. CBS's John Roberts
is tracking that
story.
JOHN ROBERTS: At the Duke Ellington School for the Arts in Washington, book
distribution day is
all about opening up new opportunities.
MALE STUDENT: Books will help you be prepared for anything.
ROBERTS: But on this day there are concerns about lost opportunities. And
questions why
President Bush, who has made literacy a top priority, would close the book on
one of the most
successful nationwide reading programs in history.
PATRICIA BOND (School librarian): We're talking about literacy and reaching into
the--all
quadrants of the city and helping all children to learn and helping all children
to succeed.
We're gonna cut a reading program? Hello!
ROBERTS: With a budget of $20 million, Reading is Fundamental last year provided
14 million
free books for school children, many of them disadvantaged. Mr. Bush wants to
give that money
to states to spend on education how they see fit. While states could
individually choose to
fund the program, administrators claim a piece-meal approach will destroy their
purchasing
power and distribution chain.
DICK SELLS (Vice President, Reading is Fundamental Inc.): From the management
perspective
alone it would be a horribly inefficient thing to do.
ROBERTS: Supporters of Reading is Fundamental wonder why the president would
jeopardize a
program that has been successful since the days of Lyndon Johnson. It counts
among its advisory
board members, the President's mother.
BARBARA BUSH (from archived tape): Reading is Fundamental, the national
organization that has
helped millions of young people discover the joys of reading.
ROBERTS: With next year's education bill at a crunch point in Congress,
Democrats today
promised to do all they could to save the program.
JOE LIEBERMAN (Senator, DConn.): No matter what the Bush budget says or
other proposals
say, I will predict to you that it will survive and flourish.
ROBERTS: Reading is Fundamental administrators hope the president just didn't
realize what he
was cutting when he swung the budget ax. But the White House was quite clear:
the money is much
better off in the hands of local control. Dan?
RATHER: John Roberts at the White House.
--Dan Rather and John Roberts on the CBS Evening News, April 26, 2001.
"Many responsible people might feel more comfortable with the prospect of war in this highly volatile region -- war against, as the president reminds us, a nation armed with weapons of mass destruction -- if they saw more evidence that the Bush administration were taking as serious a view of that war's potential consequences as it is of the causes for waging it. Potential consequences such as anarchy in Iraq, yes, but also the chance of civil unrest in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and nuclear-armed Pakistan; of Israel being pulled into the conflict; and of increased terrorism against U.S. targets. They want to see that President Bush and his advisers have a plan for dealing with these scenarios, and for delivering on the president's promise that if war is necessary, the United States and our allies 'will help the Iraqi people rebuild their economy and create the institutions of liberty in a unified Iraq at peace with its neighbors.'
"President Bush has set a determined course toward Iraq, and he is well on
his way. But plenty of questions remain about just what will happen once America
gets there."
--Dan Rather in his syndicated column, October 9, 2002.
RATHER: I think by any reasonable analysis that
George Bush is off
to a pretty good start with his presidency.
LETTERMAN: Is that right? You were pleased with how he handled the situation
with China, you
thought that went all right?
RATHER: I'm not go--well, I'm pausing only because you said the way he
handled it. I'm
not sure if he handled it.
LETTERMAN: The way it was handled. I'm sorry, OK the way it was handled.
RATHER: Because remember, you have Uncle Cheney, who runs an awful lot of
things.
--Dan Rather on the Late Show with David Letterman, June 7, 2001.
"Past votes in Congress are prompting new questions about [Vice Presidential
nominee] Dick
Cheney and whether, as some say, they show he's too outside the American
mainstream for voters
in the year 2000."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, July 27, 2000.
After being sworn in as president, George W.
Bush tried to
build support for his policies in Congress:
"Power politics was part of the drill today at the White House, as President
Bush invited top
Democrats over to take each other's measure and talk about prospects for his
Republican
Right
agenda in Congress. Beyond the pleasantries and pledges of cooperation
afterward, Democrats
made it clear that they will cooperate up to a point. One of those points:
the Bush tax cut
plan. Democrats continue to view it as, among other things, a giveaway
to the wealthy
that
spends the budget surplus and leaves no money for such things as seniors--to
pay for
prescription drugs."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, January 24, 2001.
Note: Rather only told viewers what Democrats thought of the tax plan.
Detractors and supporters of missile defense
disagree over
the validity of a 1972 treaty signed with the U.S.S.R. which prohibits the
construction of such
missile shields. Missile defense opponents (whose arguments are shown in
blue) argue that the U.S. must abide by an agreement
it signed while
proponents (whose arguments are shown in red) argue the
treaty is null
because the U.S.S.R. no longer exists. CBS's coverage the day of Bush's
announcement
unquestioningly enunciated opponents' view of the treaty and provided them more
air-time than
proponents in a 12-to-5 ratio. CBS reporters cited no experts who were in favor
of Bush's
decision:
DAN RATHER: Not up in the air is President Bush's commitment to building what's
called a
missile defense shield over the nation. The president said today he's all for
it, even if it
violates a 1972 treaty. Russia, China, and some NATO allies fear this could
generate a new arms race and then there's the question
of whether it
would work, at any price. CBS's John Roberts begins our coverage.
JOHN ROBERTS: With a declaration that the best offense is a
good
defense, President Bush today announced plans for a missile defense
shield to protect America and her allies from rogue states with nuclear
weapons.
GEORGE W. BUSH: They hate our friends. They hate our values.
In such a world,
cold war deterrence is no longer enough.
ROBERTS: The core of the plan is to create a defense against ballistic missiles
targeting them
either shortly after launch or in mid-trajectory. Attempts at
mid-flight
intercepts failed two out of the last three times.
TOM DASCHLE (Sen. Minority Leader, D-SD): We fear the
president might be
buying a lemon here. I don't know how you support the deployment of a program
that doesn't
work.
ROBERTS: President Bush today claimed new technologies show
more
promise. But the bigger problem may be to convince Russia, China, and
nervous allies that missile defense does not represent a new threat
of U.S.
nuclear supremacy.
JOSEPH BIDEN (Senator, D-Del.): It's going to start a massive
new arms race
in China, India, Pakistan. We're going to be less secure rather than more
secure.
ROBERTS: The 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with
Russia
[the treaty was signed with the U.S.S.R.] prohibits development of the missile
shield. In a
phone call this morning, Mr. Bush urged Russia's president to replace that
treaty and leave
behind the cold war doctrine of mutually assured destruction.
BUSH: But I also made clear to him that it's important for us
to think beyond
the old days' concept that if we blew each other up the world would be safe. It
told him the
cold war is over.
ROBERTS: Defense analysts say while a missile shied may protect against launches
from countries
like North Korea, Iraq, and Iran, it does nothing to address
the more urgent
threat of, say, a terrorist ship sailing into New York harbor with a nuclear
bomb on
board.
MICHAEL O'HANLON (Brookings Institution): We need a balanced
approach
recognizing that missile threats are only one of many types, potential threats
to the United
States.
ROBERTS: President Bush hopes to placate the Russians by offering unilaterally
deep cuts to the
U.S. nuclear arsenal and he will dispatch his national security team to allied
countries next
week in hopes of easing their anxieties. Dan?
RATHER: John Roberts at the White House.
One of those anxieties is whether the U.S. is paying enough
attention to
what may be a more likely form of enemy attack, the type that a missile defense
shield would
never be able to stop. CBS News national security correspondent David
Martin is tracking
that part of the story.
DAVID MARTIN: What if the truck bomb which blew up the federal center in
Oklahoma City had
contained a biological warfare agent like anthrax? It would have killed one to
three million
people. Many experts believe that is a much more likely
threat than a
missile.
ROBERT BYRD (Senator, D-WV): I don't know about a missile
defense shield,
but here's something that may happen to this country, and probably
will.
--Dan Rather, John Roberts, and David Martin on the CBS Evening News, May
1, 2001.
"When it was all over, the president-elect said that he
was 'humbled'
by the tightness of the vote and the processes that had unfolded in Florida. He
signaled that
he heard the mixed message and was ready to be a president for all the
people.
"Some were surprised, then, when Bush nominated rock-ribbed conservatives to
three key Cabinet
posts: John Ashcroft for attorney general, Linda Chavez for labor secretary and
Gail Norton for
secretary of the interior.
"To Justice, the most important department, Bush picked a 'Christian Right'
opponent of
abortion and handgun control with controversial views on the Confederacy. And to
Labor and
Interior, he tapped nominees considered anathema to the core Democratic
constituencies of
organized labor and the environmental movement. On the left and in the center,
folks began to
wonder if Bush's "uniter, not a divider" rhetoric referred to only the most
conservative wing
of the Republican Party."
--Dan Rather in his syndicated column, January 15, 2001.
Early in his presidency, George W. Bush announced the formation of a commission to study if changes needed to be made to Social Security. After studying the matter for several months, the commission released a preliminary report saying that the system would fall apart unless laws were changed to allow partial privatization, a position rejected by most liberals. Dan Rather's program gave minimal coverage to the announcement but aired a full story on why some congressional Democrats were opposed to the group's finding:
The Seattle area was struck by an
earthquake:
"Ironically, this earthquake hit on the same day President Bush proposed a
federal budget that
would save about $25 million by killing a program to help communities prepare
for natural
disaster. President Bush contends it was ineffective. Seattle was one of the
first cities to
take advantage of that program."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, February 28, 2001.
In 1999, under pressure from labor union
supporters,
President Clinton signed regulations that tried to protect against repetitive
motion injuries
in the workplace. Business groups, though, didn't want it, and under pressure
from business
supporters, President Bush eliminated these regulations. In these two reports,
Rather
acknowledges only that Bush was "under pressure" from lobbyists, but not
Clinton:
2001: "Labor Secretary Elaine Chao today announced a series of hearings
to decide what,
if anything, the Bush Administration will do to protect workers from repetitive
motion and
stress injuries. Under pressure from his business supporters, President
Bush scrapped
workplace regulations issued by the Clinton Administration."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, June 7, 2001.
1999: "After years of debate, delay and heavy opposition from big
business lobbyists,
the US government said today it will go ahead with new safety rules for the
workplace; in
particular, a proposed crackdown on the repetitive motions in factories and
offices that may
lead to aching backs, crippled hands and broken careers. CBS' Bob Orr has the
facts."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, February 19, 1999.
On January 27, 1993, the Associated Press reported that nine of Bill
Clinton's cabinet
appointees were millionaires. On January 23, 2001, the AP reported that George
W. Bush's
nominees were "mostly millionaires." Dan Rather decided to follow the AP's lead
in the Bush
story, but not with the Clinton story. Rather never mentioned--throughout all
eight years--that
there were millionaires in Clinton's cabinets:
2001: "Financial disclosure reports today show many in the Bush Cabinet
and other
top posts have two things in common: they're multimillionaires and many hold
stock in companies affected by federal action. Some examples: Commerce
Secretary Donald Evans, at least $5 million in stock options in the oil and gas
industry company that he headed; Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, at least $5
million in stock options from his old company, Alcoa; and Secretary of State
Colin Powell, at least $24 and a half million in assets."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, January 23, 2001.
1993:"The Clinton Cabinet is installed minus an attorney general."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, January 22, 1993.
"The Clinton Cabinet is now complete."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, March 11, 1993
George W. Bush and Al Gore conducted their last
debate. Rather
decided to point out some inaccuracies each said during their encounter:
"On the truth patrol, the Associated Press and others report that while Governor
Bush is
promising to make prescription drugs more affordable -- that's one of the things
he did tonight
-- the Governor did sign legislation in Texas making it more difficult for
doctors there to
prescribe a cheaper generic version of a popular blood-thinning drug. And
Associated Press and
others point out that a very large drug company was involved in getting that
legislation passed
with the Governor's support of it. The situation's changed somewhat in more
recent times. Also,
Governor Bush said the percentage of those without health insurance in Texas has
gone down
while the percentage of uninsured nationally has gone up. According to the
Census Bureau, the
percentage of uninsured in the United States has actually gone down from 16.3
percent in 1998
to 15.5 percent last year.
"As for Vice President Gore, he said at one point in the debate that he would do
something
about what he called 'this culture's assault on children' from the Internet,
over the airways,
and on the movies, but the Vice President did not say what he would do."
--Dan Rather during live coverage, October 17, 2000.
Note: The original AP article noted misstatements by both candidates though
Rather did not
mention any of Gore's, saying only that he was not specific enough.
GEORGE W. BUSH: "The New York Times and all these East Coast press who
say that George Bush [father] isn't ready to fight are
wrong."
RATHER: "You mentioned The New York Times. What about the story over the
weekend--the
Times had a story saying that the president was prepared to provoke
Saddam Hussein...and
that it was being considered for political purposes. Have you talked to the
president or
anybody around him what they thought about that?"
BUSH: "I didn't need to talk to the president, Dan, because I was so outraged by
something so
preposterous written by that mag--that newspaper, they ought to apologize. It is
outrageous to
say that, and even you would agree it was outrageous to say that, I'm sure,
being a good Texas
boy that you are."
RATHER: "Of course, it's not my job to agree or disagree, outrage or
otherwise."
--Dan Rather and George W. Bush during a CBS News election special, August 17,
1992.
"Death penalty on trial. In Texas, his murder conviction disputed to the end,
this is Gary
Graham's execution night [...]
Good evening. An execution in Texas scheduled less than thirty minutes from now
puts Governor
George Bush in the spotlight and on the spot in the Campaign 2000
death penalty
debate. Convicted of murder, Gary Graham is to die by injection amid
questions about
whether he or others on death rows nationwide may be dying for crimes they
didn't commit. CBS's
Bob McNamara is outside the Huntsville, Texas prison where the execution draws
near. Bob?"
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, June 22, 2000.
Note: There was no debate over the death penalty (except in the media) since
both Bush and Gore
supported it.
"[T]he matter of Graham's life or death appears now to rest solely in the
hands of Texas
Governor George W. Bush. Bob McNamara will bring us details on the case,
Graham's continued
assertions of innocence, and the protests that have surrounded this execution.
With George W.
Bush running for president as the presumptive Republican nominee, Jim Axelrod
will take a look
at the political implications of the Graham case, as the death penalty
becomes an issue in
Campaign 2000.
--Dan Rather in an online preview of the Evening News, June 22, 2000.
"With America rethinking the death penalty and how it is applied,
Correspondent Bob
McNamara will have the latest on Ricky McGinn, the Texas death-row inmate to
whom George W.
Bush granted a stay last month."
--Dan Rather in an online preview of the Evening News, July 12, 2000.
During the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush made a comment to
Dick Cheney while
on a platform, calling a New York Times reporter a "major-league asshole"
when he
thought the microphone was off:
"On one bit of campaign meanness and nastiness in particular, George Bush now
says he's sorry
his gutter language and personal attack was
picked up by a
microphone at a campaign stop yesterday, but he refuses to apologize for the
substance of his
comment. Bush's remark was about Adam Clymer, a New York Times reporter
whose coverage
he doesn't like."
"You may want to note there's a long history of politicians attacking the press,
and Bush did
not apologize for what he said about the Times reporter. Reactions to
Bush's comment
included this one today from Republican Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa: 'It
would be better
if no person spoke about others in that fashion.' By the way, several major
newspapers today
quoted the Bush comment directly. The New York Times itself did not,
saying only that
Bush, quote, "used an obscenity to describe a New York Times
correspondent.'
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, September 5, 2000.
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During the debate over whether the United States should invade Iraq, Senate Democrats read an inaccurate story in the Washington Post and decided to use the article as a basis for criticizing Bush's conduct of foreign policy, charging that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney had improperly impugned Democrats' patriotism regarding war with Iraq.
As it turned out, however, the article was mistaken on two points. The comments attributed to Cheney were in fact taken from the headline of a local newspaper and not said by Cheney himself, while the Bush remarks, instead of being about war with Iraq were really about his plan to establish a Department of Homeland Security. After Democrats rebuked Bush for an entire day from the Senate floor, the White House tried to correct the Post's inaccuracies and defended Bush's statement saying that he did not criticize Democrats (see official transcript) and actually praised some Senators "both Republicans and Democrats" for "working hard in Washington to get it right."
In CBS News's reporting of the spat, however, these points were dramatically underrepresented: Bob Schieffer's report aired Democratic views for 52 seconds while allowing Bush to respond in 7 seconds (an imbalance of 88% to 12%). Despite the fact that many congressional Republicans commented on the issue, none of them was given air time by CBS News. Presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer was also kept off the air, despite having talked extensively about the controversy in that day's briefing. Other television news networks provided more balanced coverage: See CNN, FNC, NBC.